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BigBill
Member since Oct-15-02
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Jan-03-03, 03:48 PM (EST)
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"TA SD70 Packs"
 
   I am still in need of these units to run routes and I have received no indication from Train Artisan on when these will be on their website for download. Where can I get these from? Should I purchase their American Classics bundle to gain access to Club TA? Are these add-ons in this secure section of their website?


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: TA SD70 Packs fikalaker Jan-03-03 1
     RE: TA SD70 Packs wdq4587 Jan-14-03 2
         RE: TA SD70 Packs stephen Jan-20-03 3
             RE: TA SD70 Packs wdq4587 Jan-20-03 4
                 RE: TA SD70 Packs ACyLum Jan-21-03 5
                     RE: TA SD70 Packs wdq4587 Jan-21-03 6
                         RE: TA SD70 Packs ACyLum Jan-21-03 7
                             RE: TA SD70 Packs georgi55 Jan-21-03 9
                                 RE: TA SD70 Packs stephen Jan-21-03 10
                             RE: TA SD70 Packs wdq4587 Jan-21-03 11
                                 RE: TA SD70 Packs georgi55 Jan-21-03 12
  RE: TA SD70 Packs georgi55 Jan-21-03 8

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fikalaker
Member since Aug-28-02
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Jan-03-03, 07:01 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: TA SD70 Packs"
In response to message #0
 
   LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-03 AT 07:28 PM (EST)
 

I did not see them in Club-TA or anywhere on the site...

I don't know when or if they will be available at the TA site but they are available as repaints (these are complete working models) at :

http://www.alabamarailfan.com/msts/locos.php


Repaints of the TrainArtisan-SD70

This is John D. Peterson's site and has some very nice repaints and original models by him...He is a very talented guy...check it out...

Joe Russell


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wdq4587
Member since Jan-14-03
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Jan-14-03, 08:30 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: TA SD70 Packs"
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   Download from my PC FTP upload section
ftp://msts.onlinepeople.net//

They license contain these sentences:
"You may freely distribute this software in its full
unaltered archived format provided that you do not
receive any financial gain from said distribution or
use. If distribution is part of a larger commercial
effort, written permission must be provided by
Cyrus Lum (acylum@trainartisan.com) before distribution
can take place."

My FTP of course receive no financial gain from said distribution or
use


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stephen
Member since Jan-20-03
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Jan-20-03, 06:03 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: TA SD70 Packs"
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   Post some more Club ta items PLEASE!!!!!!! pretty please


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wdq4587
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Jan-20-03, 07:49 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: TA SD70 Packs"
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   Don't ask such things here!
I am not the Club member and can not get such things!
I will also not host such things since they license don't allow put it on a public place. Although they call it "freeware".


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ACyLum
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Jan-21-03, 02:15 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: TA SD70 Packs"
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   WDQ4587,

I have just visited your website and I have found that your FTP site is distributing private links to product that we offer to those who donate to the various charities that we support.

By doing this, you are actually hurting the several RailRoad restoration societies who do use this money to help maintain the equipment for future generations to enjoy.

If you are not the person who uploaded these links, I ask you to work with us and the authorities to discover who is responsible. I am also contacting your ISP to help in analyzing the FTP log file for the dates of 12/18/02 between 12:16pm and 12:19PM

Cyrus Lum
Train Artisan Inc.


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wdq4587
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6. "RE: TA SD70 Packs"
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   I am not the one upload these links.

I download these files and found some files I have right to host on my FTP according to the license, some not. Since my work is very busy. I have no time to check which one is. So I don't touch them.

Now I remove all of these links. But I will check these files and put these one which license no problems on my FTP later. BTW, that's a FTP not a website.

Don't ask me stop provide downloading with these files. Unless your announce you decide to change your software license type released before in your homepage. Even you doing that, I still doubt on this behavior legally. But I will stop provide downloading.


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ACyLum
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Jan-21-03, 10:11 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: TA SD70 Packs"
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   wdq4587,

In the past, we had provided these files based on an honor system. While it would have been easy to circumvent, the large part of the community respected the intent of the downloads which was to help raise money for charitable organizations.

You apparently have disregard for this. Apparently, you do not care about how you are affecting these groups. Your only worry seems to be about your preceived "rights" with our work.

I also know about your quest in obtaining the ESE 2.x - you keep claiming that the ESE 2.x was freeware. It was never freeware - it was DONATIONWARE. We created the package to help raise money for the surviving families of the fireman who lost their lives during the World Trade Center Tragedy - the money went straight to Local 94 in New York City. Only the people who chose to ignore the readme and took advantage of our work considered it "free".

If this still does not make sense to you....if I can't appeal to your sense of decency, then I will change the license just for YOU.

Cyrus Lum
Train Artisan Inc.


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georgi55
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Jan-21-03, 02:08 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: TA SD70 Packs"
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   You guys are TA are trying to change meaning of donations.
I understand donawares that money goes to Author, but you guys are doing that
for Charities. That just destroys the true meaning of donation.
If I'm correct you wanted $5 minimum as donation and then allow to get Club TA stuff, correct?
I've donated many times more than $5 for the 9/11 and other charities,
but your concept of MUST DONATE to get something in return is totally cruel.
I bet 90% of people who donated through you didn't do it through heart but just to get access to club TA.


Georgi

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stephen
Member since Jan-20-03
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Jan-21-03, 05:05 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: TA SD70 Packs"
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   i agree with georgi55.

the only reson i would donate is to get acsess to club ta. and besides why must we donate any way i mean its just a addon for a game? And also are you ta guys gonna relese that frisco 1522 as freeware? god i sure hope so i would be greatly disappointed if it wernt.


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wdq4587
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Jan-21-03, 08:12 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: TA SD70 Packs"
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   1. First I judge a software type by it's license. You seems use a wrong license if such things is just like you siad. I wish you never use such license again!

2. You can not only change these license only to me. Since it's a public license. You need change it for everyone who have it. Even if you only change it to me. You need make a statement publicly to let other people know I was exclude of this license. So they will not do something illegal for example send these file to me or download from my FTP.

3. There are no such things called DONATIONWARE as you said. If you bind donation behavior with get access. That mean these donation is still by you. Just like other people give money to you and you make donation. So it's a Commercial software. And I speak again you use a worng license type!

4. I don't care I can get ESE 2 or not. But you behavior let whole freeware world feel shame. I mean nothing you stop providing downloading. I have no question about that. Of course you have right!I mean you force other website stop provide a true freeware. I never hear such things since 1997 I connected to Internet. And I also mean you do such thing underground like saying "You'll have serious legal problems". And all of us know that's not true.

5. You are also disregard these freeware author's right which made they product depend on your "freeware". They read the license and think that can use as a base. But they are worng! They can not belive what they read! You need check your "freeware" license and add such things like not allow to make freeware reskin and alias!

And since you such saying, never call you software freeware anywhere later!


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georgi55
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Jan-21-03, 08:17 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: TA SD70 Packs"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-03 AT 08:23 PM (EST)
 
>5. You are also disregard these freeware author's right
>which made they product depend on your "freeware". They read
>the license and think that can use as a base. But they are
>worng! They can not belive what they read! You need check
>your "freeware" license and add such things like not allow
>to make freeware reskin and alias!

Ya, talk about that issue.
I've sent ESE2 to over 10 people who have requested me because the loco they downloaded from AVSIM doesn't work.
And, you know what's really sad? The author of that loco is blamed that his content is not free, not TA.
I will continue to send out ESE2 and other freewares if requested unless there is public announce of license change.


Georgi

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georgi55
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Jan-21-03, 01:47 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: TA SD70 Packs"
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   LOL! This thread is laughable!


Georgi

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